(08-29-2018 06:33 PM)gdunn Wrote:  All I know is in 2008, I wouldn't mind her field dressing my moose.

(08-29-2018 05:59 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 04:46 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  He would have been wise to exclude her from the 2008 ticket. Dumb as a box of rocks.

She was governor of a state. Box of rocks dumb doesn't usually get that.

but thanks for your sexist view on this.



By the way, as a life-long conservative, the ONLY reason I was persuaded to pull the lever for McCain was solely because he chose Palin as his running mate.

Why would I as a conservative vote for a RINO?

When you're a hot woman you can get very far in life without having to be overly smart or tough...

Even Steve Schmidt and the people on McCain's campaign said Palin was a pretty big ignoramus, and they're not democrat party shills. I think she was a gamble worth making, but she just wasn't coachable and it didn't work out.

Did someone say boobs?

(08-29-2018 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 04:46 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  He would have been wise to exclude her from the 2008 ticket. Dumb as a box of rocks.

She was governor of a state. Box of rocks dumb doesn't usually get that.

but thanks for your sexist view on this.



By the way, as a life-long conservative, the ONLY reason I was persuaded to pull the lever for McCain was solely because he chose Palin as his running mate.

Why would I as a conservative vote for a RINO?

and very popular in her state. I was up there months before she was nominated (almost a year) and the people at the hotel spoke glowingly of her without provocation. They just knew we were from out of town and volunteered 'do you know about our Governor?'

When oil prices are high a pet rooster as governor would be popular in Alaska. Its a tiny state of 650k people who received about 5k per household from the governor when prices spiked.

(08-30-2018 04:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:13 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 04:46 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  He would have been wise to exclude her from the 2008 ticket. Dumb as a box of rocks.

She was governor of a state. Box of rocks dumb doesn't usually get that.

but thanks for your sexist view on this.



By the way, as a life-long conservative, the ONLY reason I was persuaded to pull the lever for McCain was solely because he chose Palin as his running mate.

Why would I as a conservative vote for a RINO?

and very popular in her state. I was up there months before she was nominated (almost a year) and the people at the hotel spoke glowingly of her without provocation. They just knew we were from out of town and volunteered 'do you know about our Governor?'

When oil prices are high a pet rooster as governor would be popular in Alaska. Its a tiny state of 650k people who received about 5k per household from the governor when prices spiked.

Some people cant stand women in power. Toxic masculinity.

(08-29-2018 05:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

I couldn't help but think of this scene when I saw that picture.

(08-30-2018 04:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  When oil prices are high a pet rooster as governor would be popular in Alaska.

Link? Source? Evidence?

Quote:Its a tiny state of 650k people who received about 5k per household from the governor when prices spiked.

$3,200 per household is the highest annual amount ever paid (per individual) and it’s usually way less than that. But if you think the Governor of Alaska single-handedly sets the value of those Permanent Fund Dividend checks, then you’re dumber than Bristol Palin, never mind Sarah Palin.

(08-29-2018 04:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Petty and vindictive. Not a good look.

That's why I'm not his fan. He had a heart of steel and could not forgive. He felt insulted for Trump stating that he wasn't a hero...which is true.

(08-29-2018 05:04 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 04:46 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  He would have been wise to exclude her from the 2008 ticket. Dumb as a box of rocks.

She was governor of a state. Box of rocks dumb doesn't usually get that.

but thanks for your sexist view on this.



By the way, as a life-long conservative, the ONLY reason I was persuaded to pull the lever for McCain was solely because he chose Palin as his running mate.

Why would I as a conservative vote for a RINO?

You too? ...and that I couldn't in right conscious vote for someone like Oblunder. The Reps didn't do well in their nominations that year.

(08-30-2018 05:26 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 04:53 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  When oil prices are high a pet rooster as governor would be popular in Alaska.

Link? Source? Evidence?

Quote:Its a tiny state of 650k people who received about 5k per household from the governor when prices spiked.

$3,200 per household is the highest annual amount ever paid (per individual) and it’s usually way less than that. But if you think the Governor of Alaska single-handedly sets the value of those Permanent Fund Dividend checks, then you’re dumber than Bristol Palin, never mind Sarah Palin.

I didn't say they set the value... though Palin did pad her payouts in 2008... but the checks do significantly influence public's opinion of the governor.

and the amount paid is per citizen... I took an average payout per person and assumed a household of 4... some households will pocket more than 5k.

http://juneauempire.com/state/news/2018-...-questions


Q: What will the Permanent Fund Dividend be this year?

A: We don’t know yet, but we have some ballpark figures. On Friday, the House approved spending $1.02 billion on dividends. Last year, 615,590 Alaskans received dividends. Divide the first number by the second, and you get $1,663.

Who actually cares?

(08-30-2018 09:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Who actually cares?

Only people who want to use it to bash McCain

(08-29-2018 05:22 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Bit my tongue blong enough. McCain was a POS. Hell, if anything Palin kept that election closer. He thinks a lot higher of himself than anybody else that's for sure.

I disagree that Palin kept it closer. Maybe she energized some religious right voters to come to the polls but otherwise she was a liability with her inability to think on her feet and blatant ignorance of national issues. This was pretty evident when Katie Couric took her to the wood shed in her interview on topic she should have been prepared for. Maybe she is just lazy and not dumb.

Her education which is a who's who of community colleges didn't help matters.

(08-31-2018 06:08 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-30-2018 09:01 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Who actually cares?

Only people who want to use it to bash McCain

It's fair to point out that Palin was deemed good enough to be McCain's running mate but not good enough to be invited to his funeral?

Seems like this is a bitter old man just wanting to get one last shot in to those who for one reason or another ticked him off.

I hope in my last days I'm not as petulant and vitriolic to people who've had my back in the past.

(08-31-2018 06:31 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:22 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Bit my tongue blong enough. McCain was a POS. Hell, if anything Palin kept that election closer. He thinks a lot higher of himself than anybody else that's for sure.

I disagree that Palin kept it closer. Maybe she energized some religious right voters to come to the polls but otherwise she was a liability with her inability to think on her feet and blatant ignorance of national issues. This was pretty evident when Katie Couric took her to the wood shed in her interview on topic she should have been prepared for. Maybe she is just lazy and not dumb.
Her education which is a who's who of community colleges didn't help matters.

I think the biggest problem with Palin was that the McCain campaign misused her. We saw Sarah Barracuda once--her acceptance speech at the convention--and that was the high point of her candidacy. After that, I'm not sure what they tried to do with her, but it looked as if they were trying to make her some sympathy figure to attract women pissed off that Hillary lost the nomination. That was a stupid strategy, because anybody who voted for Hillary was not going to vote for Sarah Palin, but I can't think of anything else that fits what I saw happening. I think Sara Barracuda was a direct threat to John McCain's considerable ego. I've read (admittedly biased) reports that the McCain campaign essentially abandoned her, and that's the way it looked.

Instead of throwing her to the wolves with Charles Gibson and Katie Couric, I would have had her do Hannity first, and another right leaning commentator second, to get her feet on the ground before doing anything with members of the press who were determined to make her look bad. And she should have been better prepared to answer obvious questions. When Gibson asked why she felt qualified, she should have responded with something like, "Because people say Barack Obama is qualified," and then gone into a prepared comparison of her qualifications to his. Something like, "The presidency is an executive position. You run things, not engage in a debating society. I've run a small business, a city, and a state. What has he ever run? They show photos of Wasilla city hall, to show how small it is. What's the largest city that Obama as ever run? They say Alaska is a small state. Population-wise, yes. But in terms of geographic area and budget and complexity if issues, it's not so small. And what is the largest state where Obama has ever been governor? Heck, Arkansas was a small state, too, and most of you seem to think the president we got from there was pretty good." They knew she was going to get that question, so have her ready to turn it around.

(08-31-2018 06:31 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:22 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Bit my tongue blong enough. McCain was a POS. Hell, if anything Palin kept that election closer. He thinks a lot higher of himself than anybody else that's for sure.

I disagree that Palin kept it closer. Maybe she energized some religious right voters to come to the polls but otherwise she was a liability with her inability to think on her feet and blatant ignorance of national issues. This was pretty evident when Katie Couric took her to the wood shed in her interview on topic she should have been prepared for. Maybe she is just lazy and not dumb.

Her education which is a who's who of community colleges didn't help matters.

Funny how you hold her to a higher standard than Joe Biden.

(08-30-2018 05:39 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 04:48 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Petty and vindictive. Not a good look.

That's why I'm not his fan. He had a heart of steel and could not forgive. He felt insulted for Trump stating that he wasn't a hero...which is true.

I don't agree with DJT on that at all. But as I've said several times on here, McCain could be petty and vindictive. He was with W. because he felt like he was unfairly smeared in the campaign. He couldn't get over it. When he voted on pettiness is the only real complaint I had about his politics (and his lack of political skills-hard to imagine a worse run campaign than 2008-although Romney 2012 was close).

(08-29-2018 06:10 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:32 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  When you're a hot woman you can get very far in life without having to be overly smart or tough...

That’s true, as far as it goes. Sarah Palin is the rare woman who combines all 3 of those qualities.

Quote:Even Steve Schmidt and the people on McCain's campaign said Palin was a pretty big ignoramus, and they're not Democrat party shills.

If Steve Schmidt is not a Democrat party shill, he is certainly an anti-Republican party shill. Same goes for Nicolle Wallace and a few of the other consultant/adviser-types McCain surrounded himself with.

Quote:I think she was a gamble worth making, but she just wasn't coachable and it didn't work out.

She was the one bright spot in McCain’s dreary and incompetent campaign. She was blamed for other people’s failures.

I think she's pretty tough. She wouldn't have gone as far as she did without that quality. And common sense doesn't seem to be a requirement for politicians. A lot of them may be book smart, but are dumb as rocks. And then some make Sarah look like Mensa society (tipping Guam anyone?).

(08-31-2018 07:15 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 06:31 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:22 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Bit my tongue blong enough. McCain was a POS. Hell, if anything Palin kept that election closer. He thinks a lot higher of himself than anybody else that's for sure.

I disagree that Palin kept it closer. Maybe she energized some religious right voters to come to the polls but otherwise she was a liability with her inability to think on her feet and blatant ignorance of national issues. This was pretty evident when Katie Couric took her to the wood shed in her interview on topic she should have been prepared for. Maybe she is just lazy and not dumb.
Her education which is a who's who of community colleges didn't help matters.

I think the biggest problem with Palin was that the McCain campaign misused her. We saw Sarah Barracuda once--her acceptance speech at the convention--and that was the high point of her candidacy. After that, I'm not sure what they tried to do with her, but it looked as if they were trying to make her some sympathy figure to attract women pissed off that Hillary lost the nomination. That was a stupid strategy, because anybody who voted for Hillary was not going to vote for Sarah Palin, but I can't think of anything else that fits what I saw happening. I think Sara Barracuda was a direct threat to John McCain's considerable ego. I've read (admittedly biased) reports that the McCain campaign essentially abandoned her, and that's the way it looked.

Instead of throwing her to the wolves with Charles Gibson and Katie Couric, I would have had her do Hannity first, and another right leaning commentator second, to get her feet on the ground before doing anything with members of the press who were determined to make her look bad. And she should have been better prepared to answer obvious questions. When Gibson asked why she felt qualified, she should have responded with something like, "Because people say Barack Obama is qualified," and then gone into a prepared comparison of her qualifications to his. Something like, "The presidency is an executive position. You run things, not engage in a debating society. I've run a small business, a city, and a state. What has he ever run? They show photos of Wasilla city hall, to show how small it is. What's the largest city that Obama as ever run? They say Alaska is a small state. Population-wise, yes. But in terms of geographic area and budget and complexity if issues, it's not so small. And what is the largest state where Obama has ever been governor? Heck, Arkansas was a small state, too, and most of you seem to think the president we got from there was pretty good." They knew she was going to get that question, so have her ready to turn it around.

I would agree with this. I know McCain wasn't in favor of her as a running mate. I heard he wanted Joe Lieberman, a hawkish independent with national name recognition. However, I would disagree that Couric is a throwing her to the wolves. I guess I just don't really respect Couric as a journalist versus doing "what not to wear" pieces on the Today Show.

IMHO, she should have been prepared for these interviews. I don't know if the breakdown was in her camp or McCain's camp but no excuse she is the one on the hot seat when the camera is on her.

(08-31-2018 08:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-31-2018 06:31 AM)JTiger Wrote:  

(08-29-2018 05:22 PM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Bit my tongue blong enough. McCain was a POS. Hell, if anything Palin kept that election closer. He thinks a lot higher of himself than anybody else that's for sure.

I disagree that Palin kept it closer. Maybe she energized some religious right voters to come to the polls but otherwise she was a liability with her inability to think on her feet and blatant ignorance of national issues. This was pretty evident when Katie Couric took her to the wood shed in her interview on topic she should have been prepared for. Maybe she is just lazy and not dumb.

Her education which is a who's who of community colleges didn't help matters.

Funny how you hold her to a higher standard than Joe Biden.

While not Ivy league I would say Delaware and Syracuse are a little more prestigious than North Idaho College and the other 4 colleges she bounced around at before finally graduating with a BA. I'm sure she's a decent person in real life but as a candidate for national office she was out of her league. Also, Biden, who I'm not a fan of, had 30 plus years as a US Senator with national name recognition.

She was a bad choice. I get that she was there to bring the family values vote in that GW Bush was able to rally, but in the end the McCain campaign got beat fair and square.

(08-31-2018 08:44 AM)JTiger Wrote:  I would agree with this. I know McCain wasn't in favor of her as a running mate. I heard he wanted Joe Lieberman, a hawkish independent with national name recognition. However, I would disagree that Couric is a throwing her to the wolves. I guess I just don't really respect Couric as a journalist versus doing "what not to wear" pieces on the Today Show.

I've always thought of Couric as a lightweight. But a lightweight with a pronounced political spin. You look at the questions that tripped Palin, they were clearly designed for that purpose.

Who really gives a rat's ass what newspapers she reads? That's really just a way of saying, "You're not one of us." But she should have had a Sarah Barracuda comeback. Something like, "Probably not the ones you read, because I don't live in your elitist echo chamber. I listen to, and speak to, real Americans who live in the states that you fly over. I am running to be the vice-president for those people who feel that their country and government ave left them." I don't think the McCain people would ever have prepped her that way, because they came from the same navel-gazing Beltway/east coast mindset as Couric. They probably all read the NYT cover to cover, and were probably appalled that Palin didn't.

Then she should go out and get a photo op hunting with a bunch of good old boy coal miners in western Pennsylvania or West Virginia. She could have appealed to exactly the same voters that put Trump over the top in Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin.